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Questions about Bigfoot answered by Kansas researcher visiting Bailey
There might be a reason the hairs stand up on your neck in the woods
Posted: Friday, January 30, 2015 3:05 pm
To believe, or not to believe?
That was one of many questions addressed at the latest “An Evening With Bigfoot,” a presentation series about, well … you guessed it – Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch, Yeti, Momo, Wendigo and Grass Man.
The series is organized by Jim Myers of the Bailey Country Store and Sasquatch Outpost.
About 80 people attended the event Saturday, Jan. 25 at Fitzsimmons Middle School, which featured guest speaker Dr. Allen Guinn, with Weird Research and Investigating the Haunted (WRAITH), joined by members of his research group, Jake Rast and Travis Worley.
Founded about 10 years ago in Kansas City, Mo., WRAITH investigates and researches metaphysical phenomenon not only there but in Kansas and Texas as well. This was the group’s first visit to Colorado and they spent several days doing research in the Lost Creek Wilderness area.
Guinn, who has a doctorate in medicine from Tufts University in Boston, is a hand and plastic surgeon in Kansas City. Rast is a medical technician with an electrical engineering degree and Worley trains boxers and mixed martial artists.
The meeting started with an opportunity for anyone to share stories about encounters they have had involving Bigfoot. Attendees told of finding large footprints, hearing strange howls and whistles, and even actual Bigfoot sightings.
Some people expressed excitement about their experiences, while others seemed uneasy or scared about theirs.
Alleged Bigfoot encounters are reported all over the country. With so many accounts over the years, believers want to use these examples of proof, but they are only considered anecdotal evidence. This is where Guinn and his team come in.
Many questions are commonly asked by people who want to know why no one has found a Bigfoot yet.
Guinn specifically discussed three such questions.
First, why are tranquilizer darts not being used?
He explained that he carries tranquilizer darts. In reality, they don’t work like they do in the movies. The darts are injected intramuscularly and can take five to 10 minutes to take effect.
According to many eyewitness reports, the creatures they saw moved at incredible speeds, far faster than humans and even deer or elk. It would be nearly impossible to keep up with the creature.
“There is only a very small area you could put a dart on a Bigfoot where it couldn’t pull it out,” Guinn said. “It would have to be in the middle of the back between the shoulder blades. It would be so easy for the animal to pull it out.”
Because dart guns have a short accuracy range, one would need to be very close to their target to even attempt a shot.
The other factor is how much sedative to use. Because the amounts are calculated by body weight, a Bigfoot’s would have to be known to tranquilize it properly.
“We can only estimate that number based on eyewitness reports,” he said.
“I know how much sedative to use on you to put you to sleep,” Guinn said. “I know how much to use to put a horse to sleep. If I give to you what I gave the horse it would kill you. When you factor everything in, it’s just not as easy as it sounds.”
Second, why aren’t dogs used to find Bigfoot?
Guinn told of a man who provides Bigfoot hunting dogs. He charges $12,000 per day, per dog, needs Bigfoot’s scent, and three months to train his dogs before searching. In other words, you already have to have a Bigfoot to catch a Bigfoot.
Many people report their dogs acting strange, scared, or submissive when a Bigfoot is thought to be nearby, though.
Third, why are no Bigfoot bodies ever found?
Guinn said that research shows under normal conditions, a body will take only three weeks to completely decompose, disappear.
“Has anyone here ever seen a dead cougar or bear in the forest you didn’t shoot yourself,” Guinn asked the audience.
No one raised their hand.
Looking for Bigfoot
Guinn thinks that most Bigfoots are habitual as opposed to nomadic, meaning they stay in the same area year round, somewhere secluded.
Guinn’s theory is that the creatures live in caves, something he and his team looked for while exploring the Bailey area last weekend.
The team uses a vast array of high tech gadgetry in its investigations, including different types of night vision tools, a drone, loud speakers for call blasting (emitting sounds in hopes of a Bigfoot response), and a parabolic microphone to capture sound recordings, including sounds the human ear can’t hear – called infrasonic (below 20Hz).
The fact that infrasonic sound exists could ultimately be the clue to finding a Bigfoot. Other animals are known to use infrasound. Orangutans can use it, which is promising for researchers who feel Bigfoots must be primates.
The okapi is an animal once thought to be only a myth. It was finally proven real after a body was produced. It has infrasound ability as well, leaving researchers wondering if that helped it remain undiscovered for so long. Infrasonic technology has been used on humans by law enforcement agencies seeking crowd control.
It has been suggested that infrasound causes fear or awe in humans and because it is not consciously perceived, it causes people to feel odd or that something supernatural is happening. People affected by infrasound have a feeling of “wanting to get out of there fast,” Guinn said.
Infrasound can trigger symptoms of PTSD and leave people with the unexplainable feeling of never wanting to return. It essentially causes a fight or flight response.
Many accounts of alleged Bigfoot encounters include feelings of a supernatural presence, or the hair on their neck standing up. Many people run away from encounter areas in fear.
Guinn tries to keep his research fundamental by following the principle of Ockham’s razor.
“The simplest way is usually the easiest,” Guinn said, adding that it’s important not to overcomplicate things.
Sometimes people will associate other paranormal activity with Bigfoot.
For example, UFO and black panther sightings tend to go hand-in-hand with Bigfoot sightings.
“If it turns out that an alien dropped a Bigfoot into the woods, then great, but don’t start there,” Guinn said.
In the absence of certainty — the fewer assumptions that are made, the better (so says the principle developed by William of Ockham, an English Franciscan friar and scholastic philosopher and theologian during the 1200s).
“Some people don’t believe, and some people want to believe,” Guinn said. “When people ask me if I believe Bigfoot exists I tell them no, I know Bigfoot exists.”
After Guinn’s presentation, the floor was open for attendees to speak with Guinn and his team members personally. People could also observe casts of possible Bigfoot prints and the team’s specialized field equipment.
On Sunday, this correspondent accompanied WRAITH members Rast and Worley on a short field research outing near the Morrow Trail in Bailey.
The group was looking for footprints, tree breaks or bends, and any possible hair samples. A couple of curious tree structures were found but no hair samples were collected.
Worley offered a tip.
“Whenever you see a barbed wire fence, check it for hairs,” he said.
Guinn and his group performed field research in the Bailey area until Tuesday.
Animal Planet’s ‘Finding Bigfoot’ show films in Bailey:
Dozens turn out to share their stories.
The hosts of Animal Planet’s “Finding Bigfoot” listen to the crowd gather at the Sept. 8 filming of the show. (Photo by Mike Potter/The Flume)
Posted: Friday, September 14, 2012 2:47 pm
Updated: 11:30 pm, Fri Sep 14, 2012.
Animal Planet’s ‘Finding Bigfoot’ show films in Bailey / Mike Potter, Staff Writer theflume.com
As many as 75 people packed into a meeting room at the Bailey Lodge in Bailey on Sept. 8 to discuss the fabled Bigfoot and to take part in the taping of a second-season episode of the TV show “Finding Bigfoot.”
The cast and crew from “Finding Bigfoot,” Animal Planet’s second-most-watched show, taped stories from the audience about close encounters with the elusive creature known as Bigfoot, also called Sasquatch.
Chad Hammel, the co-executive producer for “Finding Bigfoot,” described the show as a quasi-documentary that follows four Sasquatch hunters around North America searching for evidence of the creature’s existence.
Hammel told The Flume that he’s not convinced of the creature’s existence, but he’s seen some “peculiar” evidence while producing the show.
The show featuring Bailey will air during the second season of “Finding Bigfoot” sometime in March, Hammel said.
That show will feature previously unaired footage of a possible Bigfoot shot in the Colorado wilderness in 1963.
The footage wasn’t shown to the crowd at the taping, but Hammel said it was an 8 mm film shot by a Boy Scout.
The footage shows a Sasquatch-like creature traipsing through the snow, said Hammel.
It isn’t the famous footage most people associate with Bigfoot, he said. That would be the Patterson-Gimlin film shot in 1967 near Orleans, Calif.
When the meeting got under way, the hosts of “Finding Bigfoot” listened to stories from the crowd about possible Sasquatch encounters.
James “Bobo” Fay, a Bigfoot researcher from California and a self-described squatcher (Sasquatch-watcher), told the crowd that he wasn’t surprised about the high concentration of Bigfoot sightings in Colorado.
“This is amazing habitat for Sasquatches,” he said.
He said the mountains provide opportunity for the Sasquatches to go up in elevation in warm weather, and to go down in elevation when it’s too cold. They can also travel up and down mountainsides looking for food sources.
He also said that with the recent wildfires in Colorado, they possibly displaced Sasquatches from their natural habitats, meaning there’s an increased chance for them to cross paths with humans.
Matt Moneymaker, a Bigfoot investigator and founder of the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, told people in the crowd that he had no doubt about the existence of Sasquatches.
“I know they’re here,” he said.
Rounding out the hosts are Ranae Holland, a South Dakota Bigfoot researcher, and Cliff Barackman, a Bigfoot researcher from California.
According to the “Finding Bigfoot” website, Holland doesn’t believe in the existence of Sasquatches.
They listened as people shared stories and displayed photos of what they believe are Sasquatch encounters.
Some of the stories came from encounters inside Park County.
Kate Murphy, owner of the Bailey Lodge, said that she’d had an encounter while walking through the woods with her friend.
She described it as seeing something in the woods that took off running.
She said it was larger than a man, and it had an inhuman stride.
Another attendee described seeing two figures walking along a meadow during a hike near Hartsel.
He said he was up on a ridge when he saw two figures walking about a half a mile below.
The two figures walked at a brisk pace through the meadow, he said. Both were completely brown, and they didn’t appear to be human.
Daniel Masias, who lives at the base of Pikes Peak near Colorado Springs, brought stories and photographs that he said showed Sasquatches walking through his yard.
He first started seeing strange footprints in his yard during the winter of 1982.
In recent years, he’s set up cameras to take pictures at night. He said those cameras have captured what can only be Bigfoot.
“I’ve got pictures of what I believe are Bigfoots,” he said.
[Please see Recent BIGFOOT sightings near Bailey, Colorado. No shit. for previous info on the Bigfoot story.]